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sides exchanging views on the current tensions in the korean peninsula. the president's first meeting of the day with british prime minister theresa may. >> the prime minister may and i have developed a very special relationship, and i think trade will be a very big factor between our two countries, so i want to thank you very much. >> mr. president, did the russians lie about your meeting yesterday? >> thank you. >> thank you. >> mr. president. >> thank you. >> a great deal of attention still being focused on what came out of trump's meeting with president vladimir putin. you heard the question shouted right there today. the president commenting on how that meeting went. >> rex and i had a tremendous meeting yesterday with president putin. we've had really great meetings with a lot of people. >> joining me now with the latest from hamburg, germany, is nbc's peter alexander. peter, what is the overall take away from what you saw over the course of the past few days?
i know president trump must have just gotten wi-fi on air force one because he sent out a few tweets. >> reporter: that's right. we did get a few tweets from the president praising the police here and there are new protests going on here even haafter the 0 has wrapped up. 50,000 protesters in the streets here. but let's focus on that g20 more broadly. within the last few minutes, we are now hearing the recording of a conversation, basically, a news conference held by several senior administration officials on board air force one as they head home from hamburg with the traveling press and one of the key portions on this conversation focused on the topic of russian meddling and whether the u.s. officials would dispute the russian assessment that president trump basically accepted vladimir putin's denial that the u.s. or basically that russia had meddled in the u.s. election. asked on three separate occasions, these administration officials declined, basically, to push back. they said they were focused on
the future. in fact , the treasury secretar steve mnuchin said the president handled himself brilliantly on this topic. it's notable that mnuchin wasn't in the room. he was basing that description on the information he received from those who were attending, that included rex tillerson, his colleague, as well as the president himself. here's the way rex tillerson described the president's effort to look forward during that conversation with vladimir putin. >> but i think what the two presidents, i think, rightly, focused on is, how do we move forward? how do we move forward from here, because it's not clear to me that we will ever come to some agreed upon resolution of that question, between the two nations, so the question is, what do we do now and i think the relationship and the president made this clear as well, it's too important. >> so, senior administration official telling nbc news within the last few minutes that during the course of this 2 hour and 16
minute conversation with vladimir putin, 40 minutes were focused on the topic of russian meddling. more broadly on the issue of north korea in the wake of that recent intercontinental ballistic missile test, we also heard from these administration officials that the conversation today that president trump had with president xi of china, that the president just tweeted about, that they focused on north korea and trade. we are told by these officials with the white house that the president was very direct in his talks on that topic with president xi. and then overall, as they wind up this week, it's striking how what's traditionally the g20 summit appeared increasingly like the g19 with the u.s. isolated on the side, specifically on the topics of trade and climate change. where when the communique came out, the sort of shared set of values that's distributed at the end of meetings like this, german chancellor angela merkel described it as saying that it was irreversible, the paris climate change pact, despite the u.s. decision to remove itself
from that effort. so the bottom line is as they depart, we're hearing the stories from a lot of different leaders here, macron of france, trudeau of canada, merkel of germany, even putin of russia, all holding news conferences. president trump en route home right now. he didn't host his own news conference but we are getting a little window into the last several days from some of his aides. back to you, jacob. >> fascinating to hear that and i guess we'll never know how brilliantly or not president trump handled himself in that room becauses is az you pointed out, no note takers in the room with he and vladimir putin. >> reporter: and jacob, i should just add, only very briefly that we did hear from mnuchin saying that the president would be very glad to make a statement on this issue. of course, he would have had that opportunity. the white house passed. >> no news conference. we did get one from vladimir putin. we did not get one from the president of the united states. peter alexander, thanks again. joining us now to discuss the impact of the g20 summit when it comes to u.s. foreign relations, two great guests, "washington post" columnist
david and daniel lipman, reporter at politico and coauthor of "politico playbook." david, impact to start with you. you say that vladimir putin in an article that you wrote yesterday is the greater beneficiary from the trump/russia sitdown because he's come in from the cold. has donald trump's quest, do you think, to revive relations with moscow have left him the one that is essentially isolated on the world stage. >> i think the g20 summit was about donald trump's isolation. and the rare counter to that was that he did have a kind of rapprochement with putin. trump has been talking about this since early in the campaign last year. he's said it's a goal and he finally achieved some of what he had been aiming for. but in terms of relations with our traditional allies, i can't remember statements as sharp as chancellor angela merkel's saying that she deplores trump's position on climate change.
macron, emmanuel macron, the new french president saying he's never seen the alliance as divides as it is. so i think we'll hear in washington, spend a lot of time talking about what the issue of what putin and trump discussed about election meddling. the bigger picture is of the united states' unusually isolated, separated from a group that it really has led since its beginning. >> yeah, so much so, david, you know, we have people calling it the g19 over the course of today here on msnbc. daniel, i want to get you in here. russian foreign minister lavrov and the u.s. secretary of state, rex tillerson, had these very differing accounts according to peter alexander and many news reports, frankly, about russia's meddling in the u.s. election. russia wants us to buy into the idea that president trump takes putin at his word. that they didn't do it. why aren't we hearing the u.s. push back more on this? >> i think senior administration officials, like those people who talked about the meeting on the -- on air force one, just in
the last couple hours, they want to preserve the good relationship that has developed between putin and trump. and if they push back too hard against lavrov, then that would hurt that relationship. and so, it's very striking that they aren't pushing back very much, because that's almost an indication of weakness on this topic. and i would note that 40 minutes of supposed talking about the election meddling, that's probably 20 minutes of the leaders themselves, because they were translating, you know, every statement and so that takes up a significant amount of time as well in that meeting. >> fair point. good point. david, both russia and the united states get to point to their announced syria cease-fire deal that we've been talking about today. why is this the most important deliverable for president trump? >> well, syria war is so tragic.
the u.s. has tried and failed other ways of deescalating the violence. the trump/putin meeting built on extensive work that has been done by secretary of state tillerson and sergey lavrov, the russian foreign minister, to try to sketch areas of deconfliction, as they say, in effect, areas that will be safe zones where each side's power is respected. and kind of map out a process of transition for the future. i thought one of the most important things that was said yesterday was when tillerson said, in effect, summarizing the conversation that had just taken place with putin, that it was understood that bashar al assad will not remain as president of syria and that a transition process for getting the assad family out will have to be negotiated in coming months as these deescalation moves go forward with syria. you know, high hopes that are
repeatedly dashed. but i thought in terms of significant achievements of this, that would probably be the top of my list. >> daniel, how do you score? we hear david's most significant achievement here coming out of this for president trump. how do you score the last few days abroad for president trump. >> just to respond to david's point, just now, you know, i agree with him, but we should keep in mind that there's been so many of these cease-fire cease-fires that have been announced in syria as a result of periodic deals between the u.s. and russia trying to strike these, and they repeatedly fall apart. over the last couple years. but in terms of trump's performance last few days, i think the white house sees it as a win. there weren't that many embarrassing moments. they felt like they were able to right the ship in terms of foreign trips that trump goes on. he felt pretty good about the outcome from the last couple days, and i think, you know,
they view foreign relations as kind of a haven given that things aren't going that well on the home front in terms of repealing obamacare and also russia investigations. so, that's kind of a bright spot for them. >> yeah, you know, david, daniel talks about what happens when the president gets home, repealing obamacare not going so well. what does this trip do for the president when he arrives back at joint base andrews. >> i think he comes back modestly strengthened. the putin meeting was a big event. he didn't do anything embarrassing. i think the degree of separation of the u.s. from its allies really is worrying. he'll come back to continued intense discussion of russian meddling. i mean, it's a strange situation. our intelligence agencies have said, unequivocally, that russia interfered in a covert action designed to disrupt our elections, help one, hurt the
other candidate. it's said that putin to trump's face said, oh, no, we didn't do that and the russian account is that trump accepted that. >> right. >> contrary to the view of the intelligence agencies that work for him as president. we we're going to hear a lot about how inappropriate that is to have a president at a summit agreeing with an adversary to -- in agreement with his own intelligence agencies. >> not only that, david, they did dmnot push back, according what we have been hearing at msnbc news on that assertation from sergey lavrov that trump did buy into what vladimir putin was selling. >> we're going to be debating this intense -- the truth of the matter is, the way in which we're going to find out what russia did is through the investigation of robert mueller, the special counsel, and through the investigation of the house and senate intelligence committees. in a sense, i could care less what putin said. i wouldn't believe it in any
event, and i already know what trump thinks, because he's said repeatedly that he thinks this is a witch hunt and fake news. so, you know, that's where we're going find out the truth. >> and just imagine if -- just imagine, there's no world in which putin meets with trump the first time as presidents, and putin says, oh, yes, i did meddle in your elections. that would never happen in any universe. >> i think it's fair to say that we would all be very, very shocked. all right, david, daniel, good to see you both on this saturday. appreciate you being here. all right, the u.s. and its allies sending a very strong message to north korea and rogue leader kim jong un. american forces taking part in a mock bombing mission over the korean peninsula, the maneuvers were part of a joint exercise with south korean and japanese troops and the action coming just hours before president trump's meeting with japanese prime minister shinzo abe at the g20. abe is saying the session was very focused on the situation there in north korea. nbc's matt bradley joins us now from seoul, south korea, with more details.
matt? >> reporter: thanks, jacob. american officials are telling nbc news that this sort of exercise was done to put korea on notice, to show that the u.s. is on a war footing in the korean peninsula. and general terrance o'shaughnessy, he's the head of the pacific air command, he said this was done to show that the full compliment of weapons are available in case of a provocation with north korea. now this is just a typical shot across the bow of the north koreans. the u.s. does this all the time, particularly in the last couple months. in fact, there have been six such flyovers just since april. and that just goes to show now tense things have really gotten here on the korean peninsula. this latest flyover was done in response to the july fourth testing by pyongyang of an icbm, a intercontinental ballistic missile. and the north koreans say it was an icbm, and u.s. officials then agreed, and some experts say that with some modifications, this weapon could be used to attack u.s. soil. it could actually strike alaska. now, there were three countries
that participated in this flyover, south korea, japan, and the u.s. for the u.s.'s part, they used b1b lancer bombers that took off from guam, flew over south korea and actually came very close to the border between north and south korea. that's a very hostile, very tense border because remember, these two countries are still technically in a state of war. they then dropped dumb miyazamyt a target at a south korean military base. if history is any judge, the north koreans will likely see this as a provocation and they'll probably respond with a provocation of their own. jacob. >> my thanks to matt bradley in seoul, south korea. lost in all of the news yesterday from hamburg was the june jobs report, a report that found the economy added more than 200,000 jobs last month. that is good. but there is one job sector that continues to struggle. retail. what can be done, if anything, to save retail jobs. we're going to have a former deputy labor secretary when he joins us live and that's next.
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the labor department released a strong jobs report on friday, which showed more people are joining the workforce. employers added 22,000 jobs last month, beating expectations. the employment rate -- unemployment rate, i should say, rose slightly to 4.4% but the retail sector is struggling to stay afloat. several retailers have announced store closings and bankruptcies in reents months. sears announcing just yesterday that that company's going to close 43 more stores. consumers are abandoning brick and mortar stores for the convenience offered by online shopping sites. let's be honest. we all do it. and as a result, thousands of retail workers have lost jobs since october. more, actually, than the total number of americans employed by the coal industry. joining me now is chris.
he's a former deputy labor secretary and senior fellow at the university of virginia miller center. thanks so much for joining me and good to see you. i wanted to ask you about that one fact that more jobs have been lost in department and other general merchandise restale is stores than the entire employment of the coal sector. is president trump focused on the wrong jobs numbers? >> absolutely. he is. and you know, when you look back over the last 12 months, clothing stores have lost 13,000 jobs over the last 12 months. department stores have lost 23,000 jobs. that's a significant number. and look, when you're in a major metropolitan area like i am in the washington, d.c., area, there are other jobs that can fill that gap but what's in important is in small towns and rural areas, those retail jobs, people filling those jobs are the people that used to have manufacturing jobs so there's a larger issue about how we create jobs in some of these difficult areas right now, and the president really hasn't put forward a jobs strategy, other than periodically tweet shaming
companies but we've seen the limitations of that approach. >> and let's talk about that. i mean, realistically, let's say you lost your job in manufacturing and went to work in retail, you lost your retail job, and now where those jobs are being created is actually in the logistics sector, warehouses, are there enough jobs to pick up all the people that lost their jobs in the retail industry. >> let's say this. there are different jobs. you know, with each different phase of the economy, you know, going back to the industrial revolution, the commuter age, the internet, more jobs are created but they're created in different places, and what is needed is people who have a different skill set, and that's the problem we have in our country right now. about 6 million of joepen jobs this country but we can't find enough skilled workers to fill those jobs. it's one of the wonderful bipartisan efforts that the administrations have pushed, taking a model that has worked in europe for centuries and bringing that to the united states because we have a skills gap in this country right now. >> let's talk about the jobs report. how do we get to these strong
jobs numbers? what effect has that had, you know, on the markets, and with the retail industry hemorrhaging so many jobs, why 22,000 jobs added in this latest report? >> this was a solid jobs report. it continues the 7 1/2 year trend that began back in 2010 so the economy is doing well, but what's interesting is that when you scratch the surface, there are some problematic areas. you talked about retail, trade being one of them. wage growth is only at 2.5% and a lot of that is centered around high wage jobs so for most people, in particular the people that are working retail jobs, they haven't seen a pay increase in years. notably, we are eight years from the last time the federal minimum wage was raised back in 2009. and that again, you look at some of the other potential storm clouds on the horizon, the potential repeal of obamacare, which economists have estimated will cost about 1 million to 1.5 million jobs.
some of the global uncertainty that comes out of the g20 and so this was a positive report, but i would caution folks not to read too much into this because i think we may be in for turbulent times ahead. >> yeah and before i get accused of fake news, i think i said 22,000. it was 222,000 new jobs added. president trump would say, consumer confidence is strong and unemployment is just about as low as it's been since 2001. so why is everybody so worried? >> well, you start to see signs. the retail trade is a good one. automobile sales have really started to level off and that's obviously a big employer in this country right now. and then when you look at wage growth, which is, again, how most people feel whether the economy works for them or not. and you're not getting a pay raise and everything around you is getting more expensive, you don't feel like you're getting ahead right now and again, we still have not heard from this president about what his job creation strategy is. >> just real quick before you
go, credit suisse says between 20% and 25% of all malls could be gone in the next five years. do you think that's true? >> i don't know and you do see this happening around the country where the malls that are trying to retool, make themselves into more destination locations, where families will want to not just shop but get a meal and spend an afternoon, seem to be succeeding. the question is, can that work in small town or rural areas and we don't really know that yet. >> right. thanks so much. fascinating conversation. coming up after the break, we're going to turn back to the g20 summit and the takeaways from president trump's meeting with fellow g20 leaders. we're going to ask a democratic congressman, member of the house foreign affairs committee, for his impressions of the meeting when he joins us coming up live. there he is. i noticed it as soon as we moved into the new house.
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putin's first face-to-face meeting that happened just yesterday. joining me now is democratic congressman david cicilline, who serves on the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, thanks for being here this saturday. what do you think of president trump's performance at the g20? >> well, i think it was really a lost opportunity. this was the president's first meeting with the russian president, and it was an opportunity to look him dead in the eye and condemn russian interference in our presidential election and make it clear that we will not tolerate that going forward. i think the president missed that opportunity to be forceful in that area. it was also an opportunity to talk about our syria strategy and i think partly because the president hasn't articulated or developed a strategy in syria, we actually were left, at the g20, with some confusion and actually the secretary of state is now suggesting well, maybe the russians have it right and we're wrong. and i think by that, he apparently means propping up the assad regime might be a good strategy in syria, which of course it's not. so i think there's a lot of confusion. i think the thing that was most
disturbing to me is we saw really for the first time, u.s. leadership being isolated at the g20. there were discussions about trade, about refugees, about climate change, that were really not -- the united states was not a part of those discussions because our present administration's policies are so different from the rest of the g20. and you, in fact, had 19 members of the g20 affirm the paris accords and all the principles articulated in the paris accord so i think we saw the u.s. out of step with many in the g20 and i think that's a hit to american leadership in the world. and something that should concern everyone. >> congressman, let's talk about that. the so-called g19, minus one, the united states of america, "the new york times" has a front page story today that is headlined, once dominant, u.s. is now isolated at the g20. and because of his stance on climate change, because of his stance on trade, all the things that you've mentioned about president trump, is, in your
view, president trump just a loner on the world stage, and what does the u.s. get out of that? >> well, i'm not sure what we get out of it. i mean, u.s. leadership in the world matters. and it's amazing to me wherever i travel for my work on the foreign affairs committee, we constantly hear from world leaders how much more than leadership matters in all the regions of the world, and to see a president sort of diminish that by being at odds with so many allies and friends around the world is disturbing, and you know, i think it's also fueled by the really erratic behavior of our president. i mean, here's a president who's at the g20 summit and he's tweeting about john podesta and he's attacking the media in the presence of vladimir putin, who even jokes about, are these the people that give you a hard time. we should be reminded, he imprisons and, you know, his regime kills journalists and political poepts, so there's nothing funny about that coming from vladimir putin, a brutal
dictator. but i think this isolation, this being out of step with the rest of our important allies around the world, is very disturbing, and diminishes america's leadership around the world. >> you had mentioned earlier that you thought president trump had a strong opportunity to confront vladimir putin about raugs's meddling in the u.s. elections. according to the russians and foreign minister sergey lavrov, president trump bought in, basically, to president putin's denial of meddling in the elections. our secretary of state, rex tillerson, said that president trump was strong on this and that they spoke for around 40 minutes on the topic. who do you believe. >> rex tillerson also said that they both -- they agreed that the leaders both concluded it was important to move forward and not dwell on this, which is a very alarming sign. look, this is a conclusion by 17 of our intelligence agencies who are strongly -- have strongly affirmed russian interference directly led by vladimir putin to help donald trump and undermine the candidacy of hillary clinton. those are facts.
and the fact that the president of the united states, who's charged with safeguarding our democracy, who's most -- one of his most important responsibilities is to keep our democracy strong here at home and around the world, the idea that in that moment, when he had the opportunity to confront this aggressor, who's undermining american national security interests around the world, and directly interfered with our sacred election process, and he didn't look him in the eye and say, don't you ever do that again, we intend to hold you fully accountable and punish you for that and we want to send the strongest message that if you try it again, you will suffer even more severe consequences. that's what we want to say to our president that's defending democracy, not any suggestion that we should just let it go and look forward as if it's inconsequential because that will only invite more interference from the russians. it will embolden vladimir putin and so far, he has seen a president who doesn't seem to take this interference seriously. and it's also a deep insult to the brave men and women in our intelligence community who often
risk their lives to collect good intelligence and to share that to keep our country safe. so i think that was a very serious mistake on the part of the president. >> all right, we're going to have to leave it there, unfortunately. rhode island congressman david cicilline, thank you so much for joining us. enjoy the rest of your weekend. we'll have much more on president trump's meeting with vladimir putin after this break. president trump says he looks forward to positive things after that meeting. what are those positive things? we're going to ask a former deputy national security adviser when she joins us next. for your heart... your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember.
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welcome back. i'm jacob soboroff live at nbc headquarters in msnbc new york. here are the headlines we're watching this hour. u.s. bomber planes carried out an attack drill over the korean peninsula alongside south korea skpn japanese fighter jets. the drill was a show of force to north korea's ballistic missile and nuclear programs. in less than 24 hours, the u.s./russia cease-fire agreement in syria will begin. the arrangement announced at the
g20 summit follows months of negotiations among u.s., russian, and jordanian officials, and will support humanitarian assistance deliveries in the region near the border with jordan. president donald trump is heading back to washington after wrapping up the last day at the g20 summit in hamburg, germany. that summit included the most anticipated meeting between the two world leaders in years. president trump's first face-to-face with russian leader vladimir putin. high on the agenda, of course, was the issue of russian meddling during the u.s. election, speaking publicly for the first time about the meeting, trump said it went well. >> rex and i had a tremendous meeting yesterday with president putin. and we've had really great meetings with a lot of people. >> tremendous, he says, and putin today suggested that trump was satisfied that russia didn't meddle in last year's election. for more on this, i'm joined by ambassador nancy soderberg, a
former diplomat to the united nations under president clinton. what do you think about president putin saying that about president trump and their conversation about the election. >> we'll never know exactly what happened in that meeting because there was no one other than the principals, the translators and the foreign minister and secretary of state, each spinning it very differently. president putin made, i think, the first to rforay saying, yea stuck it to him and tillerson saying the president really pushed putin on this issue. i think over time we'll hear more about what their two views are, but my guess is president trump wants to move past that election issue as quickly as possible, and so he is not going to really focus on that. i think the bigger issue is, this is president trump's first real foray on to the global stage. and i think from his perspective, it went well because there were no major gaffes. he wasn't embarrassed and so he
looked presidential. but if you look at what the undercurrent of this entire summit was, there's deep division and great isolation from the united states. the europeans want american leadership, and they don't see it. >> what does that say about the united states, that it's a great success, that nothing catastrophic happened at the g20 and president trump walks away as the g1 versus the g19, essentially, isolated on the world stage. >> that's the narrative you're going to hear from president bush, that it went well but if you look at those undercurrents, the u.s. is isolated on climate, on trade, the steel talks, you ukraine. the one good thing that came out was a cease-fire on syria. no one expects that to stay very long. the world is hungry, particularly the g20, which are the major countries in the world, for u.s. leadership. these are global problems that can only be solved on a global stage with u.s. leadership, and as u.s. leadership diminishes,
we're handing the world to china, to russia, that's not in america's interest so i think that hopefully over time the president will understand that he needs to lead on these global issues. he's very far from that. i was disappoint bid the stances that they took and so was the rest of the world. >> bring us inside that world as somebody who has been in rooms just like this. in the room with president putin and president trump, where just foreign minister lavrov and secretary of state tillerson, no note takers, how unusual is that, and, you know, you've been talking about the elevation of china and the elevation of russia. did president trump, by sitting there for two hours with vladimir putin, basically elevate him as a co-equal on the world stage? >> no. it's always good when two leaders sit together. i've been in many of those meetings and normally, the beginnings of the meetings have other aides in them, and it's not unusual to have a little pull-aside for maybe a half an hour with just the two leaders. i've never seen a two-hour meeting with no one else in the room other than the secretaries of state. there's usually some experts in the room and that's to, one,
record what happened, to two, to make sure that what's followed up and agreed is implemented. so, that's highly unusual. but getting to know the two of them is a good thing. so that doesn't bother me so much as where does this going to go. it's going to take six months or so before we see whether the cease-fire will work, whether there was any kind of agreement on meddling in the election. it's very clear to the rest of us with 16 agencies saying that the russians meddled in our affairs that that happened, whether the president pushed putin on that, we will probably never know. but we'll have other opportunities to learn that. so overall, i think, though, it was a setback for the united states on the issues that we really need to focus on, trade, income inequality, climate change, and promotion of democracy around the world, and standing up to thugs like president putin, who is undermining democracy at his own home and perpetuating mass civilian casualties in syria.
this is not our friend. and we need to make it clear and stand up to him, keep the sanctions on, stand up to on ukraine and i don't think that's what happened in this meeting. eventually we'll find out, but today, what actually happened down there, we're getting two very different stories from both sides, and it will be a while before we know. >> sure are. very grateful to talk to you today, ambassador nancy soderberg. appreciate you being here. we will turn from hamburg to health care right after this break and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell suggesting republicans may not be able to pass an obamacare replacement bill at all. can he work with democrats on a health care fix? will democrats will willing to work with him? and be sure to stay with us next hur, keir simmons will be with you live from hamburg, germany, he has been in the middle of it for days. he will have much more on his experience and incredible reporting amid the protests, plus the latest on the g20 summit itself. we'll be right back.
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senate majority leader mitch mcconnell needs at least 50 votes from his conference but that is proving to be a difficult task. just this week, four more republican senators, there they are in rural states, they came out against the bill and on thursday, mcconnell downplayed the prospects of its passing. >> well, if we are unable to -- if my side is unable to agree on an adequate replacement, then some kind of action on -- with regard to private health insurance market must occur. >> joining me now is the director of policy from the independent women's forum, and former hillary clinton campaign adviser jess macintosh here at 30 rock. hadley, i'm going to start with you. why are republicans having so much trouble, do you think, getting enough support for their health care plan? >> well, they campaigned, many of them, on this promise to repeal the affordable care act, and now it's time to put their money where their mouth is and
fulfill that promise, but of course there are some provisions like the provision about preexisting conditions, we call it guaranteed issue that many republicans would like to keep and so finding consensus among at least 50 republican senators on how to repeal and replace this affordable care act at this juncture is proving to be a real challenge for mcconnell. i would say in their blitz to move forward with this particular bill that they're looking out in the senate, i would encourage republicans to slow down at least to communicate why they're doing what they're doing because many republican voters understand which is fulfillment of a promise but for those people who never wanted that promise to be fulfilled in the first place, they need to understand why republican es are looking to lower premiums and bolster market competition to provide consumers with greater choices. >> having been out there with the american people over the course of the campaign, they like their issues to be explained to them and not rammed down their throats. let me turn to you, jess. we just saw these four rural republican senators coming us against and you think rural, not
to overgeneralize, but the deep red part of america, turns out that's not so true. why is it so unpopular there. >> it's a lot about medicaid. it's about the numbers. they have obamacare as something that is helping their families, helping their communities, helping their neighbors. these are real people having real health care because of what president obama did, if you take that away from them, they're going to be upset about it. we saw yesterday there was a town hall in kansas where half of the town's population showed up for a town hall with the gop senator to protest repealing health care. this means a lot to people regardless of partisanship and the gop is having such a hard time explaining why they're doing it because there really aren't any policy benefits. they are fulfilling the promise to take away a piece of president obama's legacy and that is simply not good enough for people who want to take care of themselves and their families. >> i've been hearing my friend joe scarborough talk on "morning joe," the rural hospitals
benefit from this medicaid money as well. mitch mcconnell's floating the idea of reaching out to democrats. do democrats get more leverage. >> i got to agree with jess. people get upset when their health insurance is taken away from them. that's one part why republicans control the house and the senate today because of the millions of policies that were canceled and were not compliant with the affordable care act. so there's two sides to this debate and ultimately, you know, if republicans fail to come up with their own replacement, i think mcconnell is talking about a practical matter here. less of a political one. one in three counties in the united states today and those exchanges that sell obamacare policies, there's only one insurance carrier left. if those people don't have any options in 2018, then we're talking about people with modest incomes who would no longer be able to use the financial assistance available to them under obamacare. that's a serious problem and i don't think anybody in either party wants to see that happen. >> donald trump continues, jess, to bash democrats on twitter for not coming to the table. i don't get a single democratic vote or support for health care. so, can you see a scenario in which he wants to sit down with the democrats and work this
thing out. >> i don't see a scenario in which donald trump wants to do that. i see scenario in which republicans on the hill are forced to do that. if they are willing to work with democrats to fix obamacare, to shore it up, which is something that we have been talking about all along since the implementation of the bill, i think there will absolutely be people who want to do that. we don't want to see anybody without health care. that's a progressive ideal that democrats on the hill are trying to make sure is a reality. president trump seems to have a very different idea. he has a blind partisan hatred of president obama and everything that he put in. he made his political bones on a racist lie that the president was not born here and he rose to popularity by promising to roll back everything that he did from executive orders to obamacare. i don't see him saying, at this late stage, i was wrong. >> well, you never know, though. we could get a tweet right now on air force one inviting them over. hadley, do you think there's
anything in the current bill that both republicans and democrats can agree on. i've been doing a lot of reporting on opioid treatment funding. >> you know, i saw your segment earlier today, with oklahoma attorney general, you were talking about the fight against opioid opioid abuse in various states. and i think the changes in the republican bill, you know, there are going to be changes in terms of rolling back the medicaid expansion. i think some research from jonathan gruber can be constructive. two out of three people enrolled in the medicaid expansion were eligible for medicaid outside of that expansion so they could remain within the program. but the broader changes, the structural changes to medicaid, would stake more flexible to pursue their own line of attack against opioid abuse, which i think is a critical issue and something states are experiencing with now. let's give them more authority, autonomy, over their medicaid policies. >> natalie, do you think they will be able to pass this before
the recess? >> let's hope so, there is no such thing as a perfect health care law. it's a complex issue. it's one-sixth of our economy, we need to make a step in the right direction for the sake of many people looking at potentially not having insurance coverage because insurance carriers don't want to participate in a failing marketplace, which is what obamacare has created. >> rehave ten seconds, longitude u do you think this august vesey is a thing of the past? >> no, we will have more people in small towns and blue states saying, absolutely not, you are not repealing our health care. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. when we come back, a look at what may be the hackers' next target. u.s. nuclear target plants. they say they've launched a series of cyber attacks at facilities. the potential dangers and who investigators think is behind them right after this short break. award winning interface. award winning design.
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series of cyber attacks according to u.s. officials. the fbi and department of homeland security say so far there is no dangers, but russia remains a prime suspect. nbc's pet williams has more. >> reporter: u.s. officials say they sent a bull lynn worrying about cyber attacks in may that run a dozen u.s. nuclear power plants. several u.s. spell jens officials tell nbc news russian hackers are strongly suspected because the attacks resemble previous cyber intrusions known to have been carried out by russians on electrical grids and other countries. among the target the wolf creek in burlington, kansas. the fbi and homeland attack appears to be limited to business networks, not plant controls. and the company says the
intrusion had no impact because the targeted operational computer systems are completely separate from the corporate network. security experts say the hacker's goal could be the threat of a blackout. >> to send a message, back off, because we have the ability to strike you in the heart of your core system, your networks that matter to your economy and to your lifestyle. >> the industry says none of the control systems for any of the nation's 99 operating nuclear plants are connected to the internet, some experts say the intrusions are a wake-up call. >> the problem is the nuclear industry in the united states is under a very great economic strain right now. they're looking to cut costs in everything, safety, security and cyber security. >> reporter: the industry says security is a top priority and that nuclear plants know they're not immune from cyber attacks. pete williams, nbc news, walk. >> thanks, to pete williams for that report. >> that is all from me this saturday. thanks, for joining me. you can follow me any time on
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